Great, now we’re not going to catch the next zero day compression vulnerability. :)
ITT: people upset claiming Torvalds is political getting all political on a post about kernel improvements.
I’m OOTL. Why are people upset with Torvalds?
He followed legal advice from lawyers and removed some russians from being kernel maintainers to comply with sanctions.
People are more mad about how he did it rather than just the action he took. If he just explained why without being a prick nobody would care.
“Without being a prick” Dawg being a prick is his primary way communication, power to him
Lemmy.ml accounts mad a f.
No, I also found the way he handled it really distasteful. Even before his response, just generally the way the whole thing was attempted under a veil wasn’t great. The actions taken should have been transparent from the start.
I do agree that it shouldn’t be polluting this thread like this though.
Wrong
What is the point of this comment? Linus was childish as hell in the email chain and started a bunch of drama for literally no reason. I’m not mad as much as I am embarrassed to be a part of the Linux community when things like this happen.
We have to face is Linus might be good intentionned but his years on the internet have made him an remorseless abrasive juvenile dickhead. I wish he’d lampshade it because most of the tine he comes off as just a nasty arogant goblin. It’s clear he feels permitted for his accomplishment and hard work to take his frustrations on others and it’s clear he knows it’s really not fucking helping but it seems he simply can’t help himself. Like being nice is a sign of weakness.
Only those with ties to Russian Government? like govt jobs etc? or all?
Yes, only those with ties to the war, e.g. people who work for companies that develop software used on Russian drones.
But people are angry that this wasn’t explained from the beginning.
How would you even know what ties a person has when the problem is government level security. Besides, Russia doesn’t exactly work on government payrolls anyway, it’s more about working in subsidiary companies owned by the oligarchs who are able to skirt the law effectively becoming the government in the process. It’s totally foreign to Western style government, there is nothing like it in the world
He took the authorization for a bunch of Russians from being able to keep working on the Linux stuff. I’m def not remembering everything and I’d suggest you searching any news about it, it’s an interesting read
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Sometimes it is pleasant to defederate from an instance, especially if nothing of value is lost.
It sucks that it overshadows the actual news.
On the plus side, this post serves as a wonderful tool to clean up some garbage users/servers.
Ingl, the amount of dislikes made me grunt a little
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More like a shitton of people with no knowledge about who actually worked on this patch erecting a personality cult around their new NATO hero.
Someone just removed many lifetimes of CO2 emissions with a couple of lines of code.
Shame that usage will just expand to fill the gap. Thanks late stage capitalism. Degrowth.
Exactly, this is known as the Jevons paradox
Thanks, got a new term today.
Wasn’t expecting this under a random unrelated post. A very welcome comment nonetheless.
Never forget that the exponential boom of renewable energy tech the last 20 years has entirely served as additional energy, not as replacement of fossil fuels.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox.
Edit: the other comment below mentioning this did not load initially…Source?
In the EU at least this is demonstrably false. LNG has slightly risen since 2000 but other fossil fuels (namely coal) have gone way down. Total consumption has been steadily declining in the past few years and is down to 2004 levels. So overall our electricity is a whole shitload cleaner.
The story is even starker for domestic heating. Gas and coal are vanishing since the mid-2000s.
Why would you assume I am talking about Europe which accounts for 1/10 of the global energy consumption and why would I be talking the continent that has mostly outsourced its heavy industry to third world countries? Why would you assume this?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-primary-energy?time=2000..latest
Here’s your source. Here’s your total energy consumption. It couldn’t have been that hard to look at our world in data right? How can you be so absolutely wrong about data in plain sight while being confident about it? Do you have an agenda?
Oh god, I forgot you .ml fuckmuppets are incapable of maintaining a civil tone.
Europe is a single market. While it does import goods from elsewhere (namely Asia), from what I remember that does not nearly make up for the overall downwards trend of consumption & emissions.
Developing countries are increasing their emissions as they increase their purchasing power. While there is certainly a debate to be held over the details of that, I do not see how that invalidates my point that renewables don’t just serve to increase overall power consumption.
However if you’re thinking of replying with the same lip you just gave me I suggest instead of responding to my comment, you take your teenage attitude and shove it somewhere the sun don’t shine.
20 years ago there were 2000000000 fewer people in the world.
Unexpected but entirely welcome.
People do forget this all too often.
Cheaper stuff, use more , value less.
The discussion on LKML was so civilised compared to this one.
I wonder what the phoronix one is like…LKML and patch: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=0fc810ae3ae110f9e2fcccce80fc8c8d62f97907
He cites his work as being a variant of a patch submitted by another developer, Josh Poimboeuf. It’s a team effort folks :)
Yeah, one man did hours of profiling and the other made the patch more elegant lol
Kind of like the butcher who got his hands dirty cutting a steak and then a Michelin star chef cooking it for you.
One got his hands bloody. The other made it delectable for you to eat.
Which is more important to the process?
Damn, those are not rookie numbers!
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I was expecting down votes, but the comment removed? It was a joke. Lol (see? A joke)
I don’t remember what the comment was. I just embed images so people don’t have to go to imgur or tenor websites
I heard the mods are biased here.
Guess the claim of bias is pretty accurate 🤣
It’s all good, I’m used to the oversensitive type.
Have a great weekend.
The Mossad backdoor optimization finally got through.
LMAO
Still not saying it’s any good after he became geopolitical.
This has to be a record for the most downvoted comment on Lemmy, holy moly. This is a huge absolute margin even for reddit.
Well I am the most controversial Lemmy user. That was expected after getting a lot of upvotes.
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Literally required to do it by law of sanctions
He would only escape if he was a presidential candidate or a multi billionaire.
Since he is neither and he works on US soil, then the law came after him. You would cave in, if in similar circumstances.
I already explained my point about it. A lot of companies rebased themselves when political issues occured. The Linux Foundation could easily do that. It’s just racism.
“A lot of companies” completely left the sphere of influence of basically any country except Russia? Doubt.
I know the company i work for has to take similar steps when the sanctions went into effect, for example. Same as almost everyone.
Counter argument: The maintainers could “easily” relocate to a country that is not currently conducting an invasion to enlarge its territory.
As I understand it was employer-based ban, not country-based.
Usually uprooting your life and moving to another country implies a job change. At least that’s how I read the comment.
Maintainer of Baikal SoCs not employed by Baikal sounds tough to find.
Ok this one is actually decent.
…it’s not. It is stupid, it stalls mainlining of Baikal, but it is not a racism.
Sanctions against a country/nation that is attacking another sovereign nation are not “racist”. Russia could easily stop their war to start getting rid of the sanctions.
It depends, though. There are western and other countries invading and much worse, but there are no sanctions. It could be racism, interests or both that only a certain country is targeted with sanctions.
Then other countries should make sanctions where it masters to them to do so.
Neither Russian nor Western are a race.
You’re right. Racism here should be replaced with hate against a nation.
There should be sanctions on every country invading. Its not rocket science. It’s crazy to say that russia is being sanctioned for racist reasons. They are literally attacking an European nation. Makes sense that other European countries sanction them, no?
Yes, there should be sanctions against any country doing that and worse. But there aren’t. Why not? I see a lot of downvotes and no explanations. As per Europe, aren’t we talking mostly about US, since Linux is trying to follow their sanctions? Also even Europe is divided about who the enemy is, like pesky Hungary.
One country cozying up to Putin is hardly a reason to call the entire EU divided
Lol sanctions and racism are different. My argument about relocating destroys yours.
So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where? Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.
Why would they relocate? To keep a few Russian maintainers? Because not relocating is “racist”? Not sure what you mean, just trying to guess.
Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.
Savage truth.
So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where?
Somewhere stable and neutral like Switzerland or some island. I’m not a lawyer so can’t say which country is the best for it.
Because not relocating is “racist”?
To some extent, yes.
Switzerland is currently sanctioning Russia. Let me say that again to be clear: moving to Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, will not prevent you from having to abide by sanctions against Russia.
“Russian” is not a race. And Finland has a history with Russia that isn’t easily forgotten. That is to say, every Finn I’ve spoken to hates Russia for invading Finland… Twice…
Finland isn’t even the only neighbour that hates Russia. At some point one has to wonder why so many of Russia’s neighbours hate, or at the very least don’t feel comfortable with, Russia.
Maybe, just maybe, the reason why everyone is having issues with Russia is Russia’s own damn fault.
It’s not racism. They have to follow the LAW.
Do they? They could have just isolated those commits as sanctioned and added a warning. Linux hates Russians as a Finn, so didn’t need much convincing to remove them.
I would be singing a different tune if our allies invading other countries at the moment were also sanctioned, but that’s not the case.
As it stands, let the individuals escape the nation state punishment. They didn’t start this war, and likely don’t support it.
Rationally speaking, the whole purpose of sanctions is to sanction the whole population of the country in order to get the government of the country to change it’s policies. And when it comes to sanctions, companies and entities doing business with the sanctioned countries are themselves sanctioned. So Linus had no choice but to remove the Russian contributors.
We’re talking about a real situation, not about what would be better.
Sanctions have effect precisely because they are a broad tool.
Of course that’s how sanctions work… against nations. Linux isn’t a country, it’s not an American asset. They could have resisted. Linus chose not to.
Ok buddy
They are bound by USA sanction law, moving to another NATO country would be same sanctions against Russia
I honestly don’t remember saying anything about NATO.
So your advice is basically “come on, guys, you can resist russian aggression in ways that don’t involve conflict, stop the sanctions and side with Russia pls”?
No. As the instigator of this conflict, Russia can back the fuck down.
At this point I’m sure you’re just trolling. I fully support sanctions against Russia but not against Russian people unless they were officially proven to actively support the war, especially if their actions don’t result in income to Russian Federation in taxes. I think I made it clear.
Also Linus supports US’s terroristic acts and invasions by paying taxes to the country so it’s not necessarily any better.
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alright, chill
Huh?
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It certainly looks that way.
LMAO they removed my comment
It certainly looks that way.
Had a stroll through his profile and he’s clearly only here to troll.
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Redditors can’t help themselves but be racist against russians.
Are you lost? This is not reddit. Also, Russia could stop attacking an european nation to gain some respect back. But they won’t. Instead they threaten everyone with nukes daily and cry why nobody likes them.
Asks the fucking developer of lemmy if they’re lost. fucking lmao
I think they are lost of they think a federated platform can only have people who agree with them. When you make a choice to create software that’s federated, it’s not “yours” anymore, and people on the platform who disagree with you are just as much members as you are.
Redditors are garbage, to paraphrase the POTUS.
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You think open source project maintainers should move to different countries because of temporary sanctions? What if they have a wife with a job and kids in school? Or delicate Lego collections that are impossible to pack? Or a side-piece?
Take issue with the sanctions if you want but don’t take issue with people who don’t want to move their family, LEGO collections, and side-pieces.
There are hundreds of Linux developers, including companies like Red Hat, Intel, IBM, Google, and more. You want all these people to up and move to… where? Somewhere. Russia, or a Russian ally presumably but hell if i know. Anyway you want them all to move so a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturing companies can keep maintaining pieces of the Linux kernel?
This is obviously a non-serious suggestion.
Move physically? Of course not. If it’s required to register the foundation, they could ask a maintainer from the country to register it. It’s not the cleanest of schemes but it should work. Though if Linus lives in the US now, it can still cause issues because US law system has been proven to not work and they could easily arrest him illegally if they wanted to. However in this case it’s the same as living in Russia. Both countries are terroristic.
You can disagree with the law if you want, but breaking the law (sanctions) and being arrested is a legal arrest.
I have tons of issues with the US legal system, but I don’t pretend like everything I agree with is legal and everything I disagree with is illegal. That would be moronic.
He is a finn, what do you expect from him? I fully support his position
not to be a bigoted piece of shit? i guess we can’t expect that from either of you worthless hounds.
if he wasn’t a complete hypocrite he’d ban people from the u.s. and israel as well.
Really sticking it to those… friendly Russian kernel maintainers. Really doing your part for your individual Two Minutes Hate.
So presumably, as a consistent person that is outrages by invasions and death, you call for the expulsion of all Americans and Usraelis, right?
He is a finn, what do you expect from him?
Continued use of the swastika in his military and a stubborn refusal to acknowledge how many Soviets the Finns starved to death in Leningrad while working with the Third Reich, presumably.
There are plenty of people with swastikas fighting for Russia too. For example Dmitry Valerievich Utkin (Дмитрий Валерьевич Уткин).
Playing the “but they have Nazi supporters in their military” game can be played all day. It’s silly. Every military probably does. It turns out assholes love killing people and Nazis. They’ll probably join the military to get permission to kill people.
I think the comment was about the Finnish Air Force not dropping a literal swastika from their coat of arms until just a few years back. Like you know, the official government sanctioned Air Force, the whole thing and not just a single batallion
Ok western chauvinist. Why doesn’t he ban the genocidal Israelis? It’s because he is full of shit and a racist
Because he’s not making any political, moral, or personal decisions, and only follows the law he is forced to.
When the law forces him to sanction Israel, he will do so, and when the law stops forcing him to sanction Russia, he will stop doing so.
bullshit, his statement was unprofessionally filled with glee at banning russians who he clearly sees as evil as a whole, as he’s banning people who have nothing to do with the war that he has worked with for years just so he can make a libshit stink over it.
I completely agree he was unprofessional about it and should have handled it better. It was his choice in how he communicated it, and I think he failed on that point. Having said that, it was not his choice to do it, and I’m sure he will undue it when it’s legally possible. Hopefully using better judgement on his choice of words then.
It was his choice to be a baby brained racist, how nice
No, not nice at all. I’m answering your question on why he doesn’t ban Israeli contributors, not deliberating on the niceness of anyone in particular.
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Would you say that Linus was “just following orders” of the Finnish government
…because removing somebody’s kernel maintainer priv and the industrialised genocide of people is remotely comparable.
Yeah those are exactly the we thing. Nailed it.
The principle remains. “My government is bad so I have to also be bad” is not a valid argument, no matter the relative levels of badness. It’s a lazy, morally bankrupt worldview
And Linus didn’t do his racist shit while dragging his feet anyway, he did so gleefully and while repeating chauvinist racist narratives
not all of us are crazy 😭
Not all but a lot
Would you support him banning AmeriKKKan and Isn’treali developers too, given that their countries’ war crimes are far grander in scale, horror, and devastation than Russia’s?
Plus, they actually have a history of injecting backdoors into everything. Israel’s government is known in the international stage for their espionage and blackmail first and foremost (on the domestic, for their genocide of course).
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His position is that he’s an asshole who won’t stand up to the US lol
come on now, not all Finns are fascist dipshits, the Punakaarti were great
So you’re a russophobe as well?
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Yes, all of the people who initially used the software and tested it before you are the people who already moved away from Reddit for ethical reasons, not because of the API catastrophe. We are more likely to be on the older instances, not the Reddit instances. Lemmy.ml users tend to be far more politically aware of how propaganda works and avoidant of US interference. New instance users like to cheerlead the US exactly like reddit does.
Wherever there’s Americans, there’s fascists. Their media is so xenophobic all the time they think not calling for concentration camps for Mexicans is all it takes to not be racist. Can’t believe it’s not just acceptable, but popular to act like Finland has any right to be xenophobic against Russians.
“But the war”, yeah, check again when the winter war was and what exactly Finland wanted to achieve. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
The Finnish winter war is harrowing to read about, especially the effects on their history departments. They are all completely devoted to whitewashing Nazis. If you haven’t read Tepora’s Finnish Civil War 1918 History Memory Legacy I recommend finding the time.
And yes it’s ridiculous. Not calling for EVEN MORE concentration camps for Mexicans while still maintaining the current border system impresses them.
Well, when you put it like that, I expect him to join the Israeli death squads “out of pragmatism”
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