But aren’t the plugins also basically part of the electron app after installing? But I have no idea how electron, vscode and their plugins acrually work.
What’s different between Vscode and other editors like Vim is how easy it is to make it a fully fledged IDE. Usually a notification pops up about analyzers being available, and if you click accept it’s done. Just one click of a button.
With Vim it’s not that easy. You need to install many separate plugins just to make it a fraction of an IDE.
I think that whether it needs plugins or not to do the job isn’t really relevant.
You can develop software in a large number of languages including writing the code (with intelligent code completion), building it, committing it to source control and running and debugging it.
If it didn’t use plugins to do that then it’d huge and take ages to start up.
It’s literally listed in stack overflow’s section on IDEs, functions as a replacement for an IDE, was architected so that plugins can turn it into an IDE, and is distributed with plugins made by the same company that turn it into an IDE. Insisting that it’s not an IDE in this context isnt helping anyone communicate, it’s just being pedantic.
Yeah you can turn off the AI it’s not mandatory, besides, it’s really fast, has built in support for LSP’s , custom themes which are easy to make, vim mode out of the box, extensions, and some GitHub functionalities.
I was using Kate because electron is too much of a hog on my system and zed works insanely well (it’s slightly slower than Kate though but not very important)
I wish you could turn off the automatic downloads on zed though (or have a prompt to confirm the download) but it’s really shaping up to be a great text editor.
I’m currently mid-migration from Windows to Linux, so I have to wait until the Windows release or until I finish migrating (I’m not really up for building a beta at this point), but I’m very excited.
It’s not done, but I’ve replaced VSCode and haven’t felt the need to come back, moreover If I were to go back I’d miss Zed because it’s just that good.
Did Zed devs fix vim mode? In the early stages I tried it and lots of movements weren’t the same as in vim, I still remember trying to jump a few screen down and it just deleted a few lines instead. Also didn’t really like that you couldn’t controll the menu on the left using vim movements like you can with vimtree, really makes it unusable if you have to jump around between your mouse and keyboard. Gotta check it myself I guess, hopefully they made it better
I pressed Ctrl+d a few times and it deleted a few lines instead. Ctrl d and Ctrl u are used for travelling half-screen down and up. That’s right, you don’t know what I’m talking about and still spewing bullshit. *.world checks out.
And yet, the most popular, and desired (and one of the most admired) IDEs that developers use all day, everyday, is built using Electron:
https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/#2-integrated-development-environment
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What functionality is Vscode lacking for it to be an IDE?
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Seems unnecessarily pedantic 🤷
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But aren’t the plugins also basically part of the electron app after installing? But I have no idea how electron, vscode and their plugins acrually work.
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So if I ship a version of vscode with a few extensions pre installed I can call it an ide?
What’s different between Vscode and other editors like Vim is how easy it is to make it a fully fledged IDE. Usually a notification pops up about analyzers being available, and if you click accept it’s done. Just one click of a button.
With Vim it’s not that easy. You need to install many separate plugins just to make it a fraction of an IDE.
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You could call vscode a “DIY IDE Building Kit” because everybody is using it that way.
After you put all the extensions together you basically got a fully featured “IDE” for most languages out there.
Nobody I know uses vscode like a simple “code editor”.
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I think that whether it needs plugins or not to do the job isn’t really relevant.
You can develop software in a large number of languages including writing the code (with intelligent code completion), building it, committing it to source control and running and debugging it.
If it didn’t use plugins to do that then it’d huge and take ages to start up.
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Being good
Fuck M$
It’s literally listed in stack overflow’s section on IDEs, functions as a replacement for an IDE, was architected so that plugins can turn it into an IDE, and is distributed with plugins made by the same company that turn it into an IDE. Insisting that it’s not an IDE in this context isnt helping anyone communicate, it’s just being pedantic.
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With enough plugins vim can have almost all of the features of an ide. Not that I recommend using it like that tho.
This distinction is not useful since the creation of language servers.
I’m keeping an eye on Zed: https://zed.dev/
Yeah, AI, whatever. It’s written in Rust and looks pretty great.
Yeah you can turn off the AI it’s not mandatory, besides, it’s really fast, has built in support for LSP’s , custom themes which are easy to make, vim mode out of the box, extensions, and some GitHub functionalities.
I was using Kate because electron is too much of a hog on my system and zed works insanely well (it’s slightly slower than Kate though but not very important)
I wish you could turn off the automatic downloads on zed though (or have a prompt to confirm the download) but it’s really shaping up to be a great text editor.
I’m currently mid-migration from Windows to Linux, so I have to wait until the Windows release or until I finish migrating (I’m not really up for building a beta at this point), but I’m very excited.
It’s not done, but I’ve replaced VSCode and haven’t felt the need to come back, moreover If I were to go back I’d miss Zed because it’s just that good.
Like it feels so light and fast 🤤
Did Zed devs fix vim mode? In the early stages I tried it and lots of movements weren’t the same as in vim, I still remember trying to jump a few screen down and it just deleted a few lines instead. Also didn’t really like that you couldn’t controll the menu on the left using vim movements like you can with vimtree, really makes it unusable if you have to jump around between your mouse and keyboard. Gotta check it myself I guess, hopefully they made it better
So you tried to move a few screens down and accidentally deleted a few lines?
I don’t know what you’re talking about, to me it sounds like they’ve perfectly nailed the vim experience!
I pressed Ctrl+d a few times and it deleted a few lines instead. Ctrl d and Ctrl u are used for travelling half-screen down and up. That’s right, you don’t know what I’m talking about and still spewing bullshit. *.world checks out.
Oh my god buddy, it was a joke. Breathe.
Why is Spacemacs listed separately to Emacs when it’s just a fancy Emacs’ config?