They don’t even lose money, they just don’t earn any.
Yup. And it wasn’t money they would have gotten anyway so big N gets mad about nothing.
As is tradition.
Because video game companies never relaunch franchises to capitalize on nostalgia. The mental gymnastics you people play to justify copyright infringement is amazing.
Nintendo isn’t making money off those games now. Might they have plans to relaunch older games on newer consoles in the future? What do you think? Crazy right.
History has shown that if you make it easy to access something, people will generally prefer to access it legally rather than using piracy, because most people are willing to pay for something if they have the option and if it’s relatively affordable. Trying to stop piracy doesn’t help sales, let alone hypothetical future sales, so trying to stop roms of older games won’t help them make more profit when they relaunch/re-release older games on newer consoles. So it’s still pointless. Not to mention that people playing those older games in the meantime keeps them in the public consciousness longer and so more people are likely to know about them, hear about them, and want to buy them when they’re available through official channels.
That’s a good “what if” there, but no.
Would buying used games also undermine their efforts to capitalize on relaunching a franchise?
they dont really “lose” money regardless
they just dont gain money, which they could have gained… if emulation wasn’t super fucking easy and also fuck nintendo
They don’t even “lose money” in either scenario. They just don’t make new money.
Businesses consider those the same thing unfortunately :/
I’d argue they consider not making new money worse, losing money means tax write offs.
The argument is the suppression of titles is to control the brand. Its indirect nonsense.
I used copies of old Nintendo games and they don’t get a single cut. I don’t see them shutting down those stores that sell them. Fuck Nintendo greed.
Nintendo: “How about you don’t play those old games and buy our new games instead.”
I was told by my parents not to play with shit.
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Damn, what do we do now when we see an UnexpectedBillWurtz? Joking aside, I almost typed an r/ on reflex. It’s weird how hard it is to break some habits.
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In the future this link will open an agglomeration of all /c/UnexpectedBillWurtz on all instances
Nintendo is run by old Japanese men who don’t understand technology. They still use faxes ffs when conducting business-critical decisions.
If you asked Shigeru Miyamoto “What is a ROM” he’s probably reply: “Is it 2.3cm Cashew San?”
You. Sound like a nice and smart person. Can you send me your 78 character friend code so I can enter it with a controller to add you?
Omg lmao yes this feature is so clunky and antiquated
If you don’t want to climb a mountain and part the sea for them, are you really friends with them? - Old Japanese dudes probably
Doesn’t lose them money, the used game woudn’t make them money anyway which is why they lobbied to try and make reselling used games require a royalty or be illegal for years before everything became digital.
As for emulation they lie and call emulation itself illegal (the copies may be but emulation itself is not) because then they can’t pull a disney and “vault” old games on their digital storefronts and make you buy it again when they decide to just up shut down the previous server when they launch the next console.
They don’t want us to own the things we pay for. They want us to rent them while not realizing it.
They don’t want us to own the things we pay for.
The real answer right there.
You do own what you paid for. You didn’t pay for accessibility on any hardware platform for the rest of eternity.
That’s functionally the same thing when what you own is digital and limited to a specific service.
This is why pirating games that aren’t available to be bought anymore is never wrong
Yeah, say I want an old need for speed game, either buy a disk for a high price that I can’t put in my disk drive-less PC or pirate it…
Hmm I wonder which one I will choose
Limited subscriptions can go to hell as well. Sure, I could pay $50/yr for a Switch Online + Expansion Pack (not featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series) so I can temporarily play GBA games and lose access to them forever when the service is eventually discontinued… or I could just emulate them on my smartphone/jailbroken consoles for free.
big imo: pirating AAA games at all is never wrong
Agreed. Really though, the ultimate goal should be to enact legal protections for older video games, same as any other historically significant cultural artefacts.
You’re supposed to wait until they re-release it on a new console with the same graphics for $70, then pay for it then, dummy.
Todd Howard, is that you?
Pirating games is kinda a pain in the ass these days and I don’t even bother on PC
But I will pirate as much from Nintendo as possible. From their price fixing in the 80s and 90s to hostility towards people who want to buy games to people not even being able to get games they’ve paid for…
Fuck Nintendo
They could easily set up a permanent library of ALL previous titles for sale along with emulators for each new console they release. Nintendo could re-sell you every game they have ever made every time they drop new hardware, but nope, just a big fuck you.
Honestly most people who use emulation probably own a copy of the games they emulate. It actually is possible to legally obtain a ROM or iso of a Nintendo game, despite how bad Nintendo wants you to believe it isn’t. You are allowed to back up software that you purchased. Do most people do it the legal way? Probably not. But effectively I think it’s all the same.
Wanna make money off your old games? Release an upgraded version. Put in the content that was left on the cutting room floor and up the resolution. Or just sell it as an emulator pack with the bare minimum requirements for it to function on the console like they did with 3D all Stars. People will probably still buy it.
This is true. I used to own a copy of a lot of PS2 games but emulated them because I sold my PS2 years ago
Copyright in Japan seems to be even more of a nightmare as it already is in the west.
For context, Japan has no fair use clause.
Fair use is not universal in the west though. We don’t have fair use in Denmark, but we do have a similar and more limited concept.
More companies should do like id Software and open-source their games after a set amount of time.
Id didin’t open source the game. They open sourced the game engine. So you can download gzdoom which is an open source port of the original doom engine, but you still need to own the original game for the game files in order to play it.
That would be pretty nice. But companies usually protect their IP, so they won’t go around showing how they code their games.
If they open source it isn’t it easier for other companies to release clones? Not identical but inspired on their code. At a lower cost because the engineering challenges of coding the game are already taught in there.
not sure if the programming and engineering problems of a game released 20 yeasr ago have too much relevance today
And if they did it would only be to inspire new games.
Ah ok, 20 years seems fair. I wonder if Nintendo is concerned people would rather play old emulated games for free instead of buying new (expensive) games.
Or are they planning to monetize these old games at some point? Imagine if they provided a monthly subscription to a library of emulated games for Switch. Playstation does this in the Premium subscription layer.
Anyways, if they are going after people emulating 20yo games, that’s pretty unreasonable. That’s some penny-grabbing shit right there. How much people actually emulate games anyways? How much people want to play 20yo games anyways? I can’t imagine that being any kind of threat to their income.
More like “You’ll spend your money when we tell you to”
and for a lot of nintendo fantatics, they’ll line up and do just that.
because they don’t care about the greed, or exploitation, or anything else.
They just care about getting their next Mario/Zelda/Etc, at whatever price point Nintendo sets.
Big Ninten doesn’t want you to play Paper Mario TTYD. You should be playing Origami King, it’s new and exciting while TTYD is old and obsolete. They are both Paper Mario, they are basically the same game anyway but only until we want to suggest it’s a brand new upgrade to the previous game
TTYD is one of my favorite games of all time and I made the mistake of playing Origami King.
It was a mix of disappointment, despair, resignation… I’ve truly never felt so insulted by a game. They stomped on my childlike joy and wonder like a vat of grapes in Napa Valley. Sickening
Pirating as an alternative to paying as often as one can, even when the product is on offer by Nintendo or whoever, is usually very easy. It’s the least we can all do in terms of class struggle.
