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Mysteriarch ☀️ to Technology@beehaw.orgEnglish • 1 year ago

To comply with DMA, WhatsApp and Messenger will become interoperable via Signal protocol

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To comply with DMA, WhatsApp and Messenger will become interoperable via Signal protocol

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Mysteriarch ☀️ to Technology@beehaw.orgEnglish • 1 year ago
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To comply with DMA, WhatsApp and Messenger will become interoperable via Signal protocol | TechCrunch
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Meta today is offering more details about how it plans to make its messaging apps, WhatsApp and Messenger, interoperable with third-party messaging
  • @Kir@feddit.it
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    Would this mean I could finally ditch what’s app and use only Signal?

    • @nachtigall@feddit.de
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      54•1 year ago

      No, Signal announced they won’t implement interoperable messaging.

      • @DavidGarcia@feddit.nl
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        14•1 year ago

        kind of dumb they could get huge market share

        • @anlumo@feddit.de
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          39•1 year ago

          Yeah, this worked so well for XMPP when everybody federated with Gmail chat.

          • Barry Zuckerkorn
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            4•1 year ago

            Well, it worked out for Google when it federated with Jabber, who first open sourced XMPP.

        • @muhyb@programming.dev
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          It’s not. There is no privacy if you send your message to Whatsapp servers.

          • Avid Amoeba
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            26•1 year ago

            There’s even less privacy if I have to have the WhatsApp app installed on my phone to send that message.

          • @InfiniWheel@lemmy.one
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            13•1 year ago

            You have the big plus of not having the WhatsApp app installed and snooping around with all those permissions it has.

          • @n2burns@lemmy.ca
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            4•1 year ago

            Would it not be E2EE? Isn’t that one of the reasons for using the Signal protocol?

            • @muhyb@programming.dev
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              11•1 year ago

              Yes, the “delivering” part would be E2EE. Do we really know the afterwards if they can read their users’ messages? They probably can.

              • @falsemirror@beehaw.org
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                11•1 year ago

                Whatsapp CANNOT read messages when e2ee is enabled, this client-side snooping was discussed when the protocol was first implemented. Whatsapp collects a ton of metadata and social graph info, but not message content.

                • @blackstratA
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                  Well you type messages in in plain text and they decrypt it to show you the messages at the other end. So they can do the nefarious processing on the client side and send back results to the mother ship. E2EE is only good when you trust the two ends, but with WhatsApp and Messenger you shouldn’t trust the ends.

                  • @sunbeam60@lemmy.one
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                    At the end of the day, you’ve got to trust someone. I’m 200% convinced meta mines the social graph, of course they do, and provide access to law enforcement with a pro forma request. But I’m also 199% sure they don’t actually read your messages once unencrypted, reencrypts them and sends them as hidden payloads or does something else with it. The damage, should it be discovered, would be untold.

                    And while I don’t trust Meta on a lot of things, I know enough people there to realise that if they did that it would leak.

              • @n2burns@lemmy.ca
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                5•1 year ago

                Sure, but any messaging app (including Signal) could have these backdoors in place. Heck, there’s even vectors for unrelated apps on your phone to read this data once unencrypted.

                • @muhyb@programming.dev
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                  That’s actually true. We don’t know the real-time server code of Signal. Though other apps cannot read what’s written inside Signal, that’s the good part. I prefer private server + Matrix but Signal is the easiest for regular people.

                • @bleachisback@programming.dev
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                  2•1 year ago

                  Signal clients are open-source.

                  • @n2burns@lemmy.ca
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                    2•1 year ago

                    Signal is only officially distributed through Google Play, so their APK isn’t reproducible, and I believe it still contains binary blobs.

            • @authorinthedark@lemmy.sdf.org
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              3•1 year ago

              if i remember correctly, it would be E2EE (WhatsApp and Messenger are too) but Meta stores the encrypted message on their server

        • @helenslunch@feddit.nl
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          deleted by creator

          • @ViciousTurducken@lemmy.one
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            Them being nonprofit has nothing to do with the pursuit of marketshare. Plenty of nonprofits want to maximize marketshare. Them being nonprofit means they are mission-driven.

            And what is that mission?

            Per the Signal Foundation’s website:

            Protect free expression and enable secure global communication through open source privacy technology.

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              deleted by creator

      • @ViciousTurducken@lemmy.one
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        1•1 year ago

        Source?

        • @nachtigall@feddit.de
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          7•1 year ago

          https://www.androidpolice.com/signal-threema-nothing-to-do-with-whatsapp-eu/

          • @kfet@lemmy.ca
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            1•1 year ago

            Ugh, an ad-block force wall. No visit.

            • @imkali@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              1•1 year ago

              What adblocker are you using? It doesn’t appear for me.

              • @kfet@lemmy.ca
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                1•1 year ago

                The built-in ad blocker of the Vivaldi browser

                • @imkali@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  1•1 year ago

                  I’m using Firefox + uBlock Origin and don’t have a paywall.

                  • @kfet@lemmy.ca
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                    1•1 year ago

                    You sure it’s not disabled for AndroidPolice.com? I’m still seeing it.

    • @spdrmx@beehaw.org
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      13•1 year ago

      Not if signal doesn’t want to support WhatsApp, and I don’t think they’re going to unfortunately :(

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