That’s not really “DLC” in the conventional sense, that’s a deluxe edition. You’re not getting new content, just some bonus items for the base game, but a good chunk of what you get is actually outside of the game entirely (soundtrack, artbook, D&D character sheet).
There’s some serious false equivalency going on if you think a $10 “support the devs” pack (that was given out to free for everyone who bought early access) is worthy of ire like the usual AAA MTX hellscape.
Considering that everyone in this thread is acting like ANY kind of microtransaction is the spawn of Satan, I really don’t think it’s a wrong equivalence.
The obvious, boring answer on both sides is, of course, nuance. Microtransactions and DLCs are not categorically evil. And also, this little bit of launch DLC ain’t gonna kill anyone (just like 99% of launch DLC). It’s always just some small, inconsequential cosmetic or truly mediocre micro-mini-sidequest.
A full price game should just not have MTX at all. No matter if they’re cosmetic or not. I pay upfront and want the full game that includes cosmetics that I wanna earn within the game. Cosmetic MTX are acceptable in F2P games only. This deluxe edition seems like some stuff that isn’t even part of the game.
I mean it’s being sold as “Digital Deluxe Edition DLC” and it contains in-game items, which I’d say goes against “a complete and immersive gaming experience without the need for additional purchases” (apart from the stuff that’s not in the game that you have to purchase.)
That’s fan service. That’s not part of the game. It’s the game’s soundtrack plus some artwork. Plus some in-game paintings depicting characters from their other games. Then they added some bonus goodies to make the deal even better. All for 10€. So yeah, it’s a typical deluxe edition. They’re made for fans and fans like collecting them. I don’t personally need that stuff so I didn’t get it, but I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a win-win.
If you really wanna equivalate that with shipping incomplete games and selling the rest as dlc or selling hero skins for 20€, I’d say you’re just looking for reasons to be mad.
So in the end, there’s zero principle involved here, and it’s all just picking and choosing which DLC YOU happen to think is totally fine.
For reference, what you just described is like 90% of the day one DLC ever. Some basic skins, some inconsequential ingame items/things, maybe some art or music.
This all would be fine, but it’s the insane vitriol everyone else is throwing at microtransactions AND the mightier than thou attitude of the game devs that makes this horrendously hypocritical. I don’t have a problem with this DAY ONE DLC FOR BG3, but I’m also sane enough to not pretend that all microtransactions are evil, categorically.
To be fair, Deluxe editions have been available since decades. In a way it is similar that you are not getting ‘all of the game’ without it - though this often includes items next to the game (soundtrack etc.) that have no direct influence on your enjoyment. With MT you directly influence the game and repeatedly, as in, I can buy 1,2,3… “super potions” or whatever. For me they are quite distinct while similar on the surface.
Right, so if that’s all the paid dlc for that game then yeah, I guess 90% of them are fine.
Ppl are talking about the likes of mass effect where you have to buy the extra missions and followers, etc.
And not sure where you got any hate. I was just defending what I believe to be a fairly moral company. And never said they’re the only one.
Which, to me, isn’t a severe knock against Baldur’s Gate - it just showcases how pointless some of the lamentations about “every other game” are, when usually it’s…kind of easy to say no and ignore it.
idk why people are tying to cope this like they’re paid by the studio. this is why we got to the MTX hell we are in right now, because people like you hand waved this kind of shit and bought it.
I know this is a bit different and I also know Larian and their games, but the “it’s only cosmetics” DLC stuff also gets very heavily criticized by a lot of people because, “they could have put it in the base game” or something. I don’t really care about cosmetic DLC’s, but a lot of people do. Horse armor yada yada, you know the drill.
I’ve always viewed Digital Delixe thru the lens of a collectors edition without the $200 statue. Horse armor is how we got to $20 for a skin in Overwatch. They aren’t entirely unrelated but are genuinely different product categories.
I mean what if Skyrim had locked Dragonbone (or whichever) armor behind a 10$ paywall. Sure, it wouldn’t be 100% necessary to beat the game, but it would still suck.
Which is what 90% of day 1 DLC is for most other games.
It would be fine, but it’s the mightier than thou attitude and the blind exceptionalism from rabid fans that makes this so hypocritical.
There is literally day one paid DLC though lol
That’s not really “DLC” in the conventional sense, that’s a deluxe edition. You’re not getting new content, just some bonus items for the base game, but a good chunk of what you get is actually outside of the game entirely (soundtrack, artbook, D&D character sheet).
I boot the game up through Steam and before their
UNNECESSARY LAUNCHER
loads, the button for
UPGRADE TO MORE MONEY
loads before the
PLAY GAME button loads.
I have a high end machine and gigabit.
Don’t defend this. It’s a great game but… c’mon.
–skip-launcher
Add that to the startup commands in steam for Baldur’s Gate.
Holy dick, thank you much!
i wonder if this works for other games i hate games that launch into launchers
There’s some serious false equivalency going on if you think a $10 “support the devs” pack (that was given out to free for everyone who bought early access) is worthy of ire like the usual AAA MTX hellscape.
Launcher is trash though.
I’d agree with you if the game wasn’t paraded around as the perfect example for not having additional purchases.
Considering that everyone in this thread is acting like ANY kind of microtransaction is the spawn of Satan, I really don’t think it’s a wrong equivalence.
The obvious, boring answer on both sides is, of course, nuance. Microtransactions and DLCs are not categorically evil. And also, this little bit of launch DLC ain’t gonna kill anyone (just like 99% of launch DLC). It’s always just some small, inconsequential cosmetic or truly mediocre micro-mini-sidequest.
Lololol there was/is endless bitching and cosmetic mtx in d3, I guess larian gets a pass here 🤷♂️
A full price game should just not have MTX at all. No matter if they’re cosmetic or not. I pay upfront and want the full game that includes cosmetics that I wanna earn within the game. Cosmetic MTX are acceptable in F2P games only. This deluxe edition seems like some stuff that isn’t even part of the game.
I mean it’s being sold as “Digital Deluxe Edition DLC” and it contains in-game items, which I’d say goes against “a complete and immersive gaming experience without the need for additional purchases” (apart from the stuff that’s not in the game that you have to purchase.)
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So you could also said that sentence in OP, even if there’s a lot of microtransaction cosmetics as long as it’s not immersive?
That’s fan service. That’s not part of the game. It’s the game’s soundtrack plus some artwork. Plus some in-game paintings depicting characters from their other games. Then they added some bonus goodies to make the deal even better. All for 10€. So yeah, it’s a typical deluxe edition. They’re made for fans and fans like collecting them. I don’t personally need that stuff so I didn’t get it, but I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a win-win.
If you really wanna equivalate that with shipping incomplete games and selling the rest as dlc or selling hero skins for 20€, I’d say you’re just looking for reasons to be mad.
So in the end, there’s zero principle involved here, and it’s all just picking and choosing which DLC YOU happen to think is totally fine. For reference, what you just described is like 90% of the day one DLC ever. Some basic skins, some inconsequential ingame items/things, maybe some art or music.
This all would be fine, but it’s the insane vitriol everyone else is throwing at microtransactions AND the mightier than thou attitude of the game devs that makes this horrendously hypocritical. I don’t have a problem with this DAY ONE DLC FOR BG3, but I’m also sane enough to not pretend that all microtransactions are evil, categorically.
To be fair, Deluxe editions have been available since decades. In a way it is similar that you are not getting ‘all of the game’ without it - though this often includes items next to the game (soundtrack etc.) that have no direct influence on your enjoyment. With MT you directly influence the game and repeatedly, as in, I can buy 1,2,3… “super potions” or whatever. For me they are quite distinct while similar on the surface.
Right, so if that’s all the paid dlc for that game then yeah, I guess 90% of them are fine. Ppl are talking about the likes of mass effect where you have to buy the extra missions and followers, etc.
And not sure where you got any hate. I was just defending what I believe to be a fairly moral company. And never said they’re the only one.
Ouch. Yup, that, to me, is basically MTX.
Which, to me, isn’t a severe knock against Baldur’s Gate - it just showcases how pointless some of the lamentations about “every other game” are, when usually it’s…kind of easy to say no and ignore it.
It’s the same shit
idk why people are tying to cope this like they’re paid by the studio. this is why we got to the MTX hell we are in right now, because people like you hand waved this kind of shit and bought it.
Wow 😔😢 I knew it was too good to be true
Ive had a look at the supposed Day 1 DLC. Its mainly cosmetics and crossover items from Divinity Original Sin 2.
From the steam page: “All as awesome as they are wholly unnecessary.”
I know this is a bit different and I also know Larian and their games, but the “it’s only cosmetics” DLC stuff also gets very heavily criticized by a lot of people because, “they could have put it in the base game” or something. I don’t really care about cosmetic DLC’s, but a lot of people do. Horse armor yada yada, you know the drill.
I’ve always viewed Digital Delixe thru the lens of a collectors edition without the $200 statue. Horse armor is how we got to $20 for a skin in Overwatch. They aren’t entirely unrelated but are genuinely different product categories.
I mean what if Skyrim had locked Dragonbone (or whichever) armor behind a 10$ paywall. Sure, it wouldn’t be 100% necessary to beat the game, but it would still suck.
I have never really played Skyrim. Is that a cosmetic armor? If so, I wouldn’t really care about it.
It’s not. It’s the best armor in the game.
Then it’s not really a good argument
it’s also free for anyone that played in early access.
in other words, if you didn’t buy the base game before reviews came out, you don’t get the whole game unless you spend more.
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they said complete, its not complete. stop giving them credit for lying to you LOL.
so i can’t get the complete game without buying it because it has in-game content. cool.
Which is what 90% of day 1 DLC is for most other games. It would be fine, but it’s the mightier than thou attitude and the blind exceptionalism from rabid fans that makes this so hypocritical.
Fortnite skins are also unnecessary
fornite is free to play, that’s not the same as a game with a box price locking content behind more payments like this.
Have a look there https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
There’s plenty of good games and good devs, don’t expect anything good to come out from the rigged industry