In a fight between a corporation and a bunch of people very determined to get content for free, history shows the corporation always loses.
Information tech people say we have introduced new measures and methods to guarantee compliance with our policies. And pirates answer challenge accepted
The only lose on their own terms. That meaning they don’t make quite as much money as they used to. It’s still money hand over fist.
It’s not even that people want stuff “for free.”
I mean… well… who doesn’t love free stuff, but really if the legit product is priced fairly and buying it provides some actual useful service and isn’t inconvenient or comes packaged with scummy garbage hindering it, then people will pay for it.
The problem is - that’s not what publicly-traded companies like to do. Valve’s Gabe Newell said it best (paraphrasing) - “Piracy is a problem with a service… not the customer.”
Shitty services or actions businesses take to place a barrier of any kind between customer and the product they seek as a means to lazily extract more money from customers - especially that which is perceived as greedy will make more people seek alternative means of obtaining said product.
Ask people who host Plex servers why they put movies on their server when they already have a Blu-Ray of it.
It’s always “because the disc has un-skippable ads” or “they didn’t include Ben Affleck’s commentary track on it where he shits on Michael Bay for being a goddamn moron,” or “I don’t like seeing 14 different warnings before watching the movie I like” or “I don’t like seeing 10 min of ads every 5 min of watching my favorite show.”
It’s hardly ever “I like being a thief” or “I couldn’t afford it…” and in the case of the latter, they weren’t going to buy it anyway.
I have totally just purchased a few Anime seasons because I didn’t want to deal with ads when streaming it via Crunchyroll. Considering the speed I watch it at, I’d have had to pay for like 3 months of service to not get ads, or I can buy it and permanently own it for a little more.
I won’t watch things with ads anymore if I can help it.
Ad companies can’t handle the idea that people don’t want to be hit with ads every 5 minutes. “Well, it’s just BAD ads”… no, it’s having my experience constantly interrupted.
I would be okay with it if the amount of ads and their length was reasonable, like one in the beginning and one at the end or something. For a longer video I wouldn’t even mind one at the midway point.
I didn’t start using adblockers until I was literally inundated and bombarded and sometimes with ads running the length of movie (no, literally).
It completely ruins the experience. I’m happy to support my creators directly though and I do.
Guess I’m getting banned then, I will never disable my adblockers, the internet (and Youtube especially) is goddamn unusable without them.
This is where VPNs come into play. You can ban me all you want, I’ll just come back with a different IP.
I’d much rather sink money into a bunch of VPN providers than disable my adblocker or worse, pay YouTube.
I don’t quite understand how they’re gonna “ban” you if you’re not logged in. Which you can accomplish with an incognito tab. What are they gonna do, block the IP?
What are they gonna do, block the IP?
This is exactly what they will do, yes.
With carrier grade NATs, they’d block a bunch of people, even subscribers…
This just seems like another element an ad blocker could block.
Not if they track this server-side, then you just get banned or can’t open any more videos after 3 videos, and won’t have the message telling you why.
It definitely depends on how they implement it. If they implement it server-side, it’ll probably work, but what’s stopping you from viewing YouTube signed out? IPs change frequently, cookies can be cleared, etc.
I would say the entire experience of using youtube is having your feed with subscriptions and suggestions. Juggling being logged in in one window to browse around and decide what to watch, get the links, then paste them into another window to watch them while logged out doesn’t sound like a good time.
Ads is also a bad time. So probably going to just drop the platform and stop consuming content from all those creators I’ve been following in some cases for nearly a decade.
I just use freetube. I can subscribe to the channels I want without an account, use sponsor block to block sponsored content, and even use invidious to proxy connections if I want. No ads, not even in-video ads.
If I can’t watch YouTube without ads, I won’t watch it at all.
Same. I left that shit behind when I ditched TV and there’s 0 chance in hell I’m ever going back.
Maybe the general public is more compliant than I am, but my money for YouTube creators goes to them via Patreon. Google not knowing how to break even on a bandwidth- and storage-intensive property it’s owned for more than a decade does not constitute an emergency I need to have any part in paying for.
If very recent history is any guide, this is exactly how you get people searching “YouTube alternatives uBlock.” No one is saying there aren’t enough ads on the site; the increasing malignancy of ads over the years is why people categorically reject whitelisting youtube.com, and “more ads” is not a solution to any user-facing problem.
Yeah, video ads are the popup ads of our days. Just as intrusive. Money corrupts :(
I’ve been using ad blockers since I was on dial-up, I’m not going to stop using them now. If youtube blocks me, I will get my videos elsewhere. There’s too much crap on youtube to sift through to find what you’re looking for now anyways.
More time for my Plex & Steam libraries.
I guess 2023 is the year of enshittification.
Going this hard to fight ad blockers isn’t going to work like YouTube thinks it will. The only thing it’s going to do is force people to find ways to bypass it or just start using a YouTube alternative. If YouTube is serious about wanting people to use ad blockers less, they should have conducted some form of a survey to find out why people use ad blockers on YouTube and then make changes to either find some sort of a middle ground with ad block users or try to incentives users to turn off their ad blocker.
Obviously, they wouldn’t do that because it would require that they listen to their users and everyone knows how much they like to listen to their users before making any kind of decision.
if we don’t watch their ads now because of how intrusive and poor quality they are, where’s the logic leap to they get money from us if we can’t block their ads? We just move on or get better at blocking, they don’t actually get money in this scenario… This is the problem with tech decisions these days, the companies are completely out of touch. You can’t use consumers as products and then charge them for it, and make no mistake about it you are the product.
Banksy had it right:
People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.
Sounds like a statement I can get behind. I don’t know who Banksy is, can you point me in the right direction?
You are about to have a great time.
Every time they make blocking ads harder, more people give up and live with it than those who leave or find a way around it. As much as I wish that wasn’t the case, it unfortunately is.
We just move on or get better at blocking
Why serve a user base that won’t either pay money to view a video or watch ads that fund it?
Maybe if the subscription cost was just the amount of money they make off the ads…
Let them test, I will just use container(so they can’t track my account). And if ad block not working, I will just not watch that video. And eventually move away from YouTube if it’s annoying.
It’s not just that they fight ad blockers now. I used to use an auto skipper for the ads, since I am technically okay with being served the ads (dedicated browser, deletion of cookies) and I consider 20 seconds before a video bearable.
They changed the skip button now so that my skipper stopped working. Guess what, now I’m using a blocker instead since I cannot be bothered to constantly click on the fricking screen to prevent 30 min ads from playing.
I’m worried the sucsess Netflix has had forcing people to stop password sharing is emboldening companies to perform policies such as this :(
Once that policy kicks in globally and starts to bite, watch subscriber numbers drop and an increase in torrenting
I pray we get a Youtube competitor too, because Google has no incentive to change. We’ve needed one a while.
Depending on what you’re watching, https://nebula.tv/ might be a very good alternative for thought-provoking content.
I’m kicking all my bad habits, Twitter, Reddit and probably now YouTube.
I did sign up for a year of nebula about two weeks ago so it’s going to be a soft landing.
I wonder if this would affect ReVanced. YouTube and google suck so bad. Also I hope people discover ReVanced because of this regardless lol but I still hope its not affected
